Gensou Suikoden 5 - Strategy Guide (Page 12)

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Example:  I was mean with every single comment to Lym during one game.  I 
teased her and sided against her whenever possible.  During the 108 Stars 
ending movie, I was given NO choice to help her, and the game automatically 
cut to Georg.  This says that there is a hidden tally of "Lym Points" in the 
game that will tell you what ending you will get if you're too nasty.

Another example of "Lym Points" is a scene in Lunas.  If you were really nice 
to Lym, she will spend the night with you.  If you were nasty, or even 
moderatly mean, however, nothing will happen.  This definitely suggests the 
game is keeping a hidden tally of your answers.

Lyon points also exist, as shown early on.  There are two versions of the 
same "Lyon/Hero Bonding" scene.  The Hero is given two completely different 
answer sets based on how he treated Lyon in earlier scenes.  One answer is for 
the "Nicer" way of treating Lyon, and another is "meaner," where Lyon acts 
more like a nervous bodyguard than a special friend.

This guide assumes you start at a Base of 0 Lym Points.  At 12 Points, 
apparently, you will  have the option of choosing either ending. Answers to 
Lym are on a positive and Negative Scale.  If you answer Negative, however, 
you will not lose points.  You just do not get the point for being nice to Lym.

Look at it like this:

| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
          5         10  12    15        20        25
Ending A                |                      Ending B
                  At 12 points, you can choose your ending.

Going too far in the Right direction assumes that you automatically get Ending 
A. Ending A is considered the "Georg" Ending. Note that going too far in the 
Ending B (the "Lym" Ending) direction does NOT mean that you will 
automatically see the B ending.  Ending B is what many consider the "True" 
ending to the game, though both endings can ONLY be seen by obtaining 108 
Stars of Destiny.

Once again, this is not meant to taken as completely accurate, but is meant to 
help you choose what decisions you can make and not make to make sure you get 
the endings you want.  If you want to choose between the endings, try to stay 
somewhere near the middle, or don't go to the far extreme in mean-ness.

Also, I have only 23 of the 25 points here.  I have yet to find the last two, 
which annoys me somewhat, even after playing through the opening a good 8 
times. I will find them though!
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What do you get for being nice to Lym, other than being able to choose your 
endings?
There are two optional scenes early on you get for being nice to Lym.  One 
happens during your first trip to Lunas.  This scene is highly debatable 
because of its incestual tones (but really, unless you have a sick mind it is 
not bad at all) where Lym asks to spend the night with the Prince.

The second scene is a lengthened version of the Prince's reminisces during 
your second visit to Lunas.  This is a great scene to watch, and I highly 
reccomend it.

What do Lyon points do?
This is a harder question to answer.  There is only one scene in the entire 
game that is affected by Lyon points (the Lyon Bonding scene) it seems.  Yet 
it still seems that they are there for a reason.

I believe that they will affect the rate of chance that Lyon will guard the 
Prince later on in the game. This may be completely off as well, but they have 
to be there for a reason, and I'm determined to find it!


Some Frequently Asked Questions about my "Lym Points:"
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Question:
Does being too nice or too mean change the text in the endings?
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Answer:
No.  Being too mean just forces you into one ending.
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Question:
What's the point?
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Answer:
Many people are being forced into the "Georg" ending.  I personally did not 
find the "Georg" ending satisfying, and I wanted to make sure other people did 
not have this problem.
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Question:
Do I need to see both of the optional scenes in Lunas to be able to choose my 
endings?
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Answer:
I have not yet defined this 100%, but no, apparently. These just show that you 
have more than enough points.  It's good if you DO see the scenes though, as 
you know you will be able to choose the ending.  Don't push your luck with a 
game this long and touchy.


Lyon Point:
-Scene in Lordlake Prologue, finding Toma-
Sure, I'll Wait: -1
I can't let you do that.: +1
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Lym Point:
-After the scene with Arshtat/Lordlake, to Sialeeds.
Yeah, I guess I'd better.: Positive
I'm tired. Maybe tomorrow . . .: Negative
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Lym Point:
-To the Maid in the Prince's Room-
Yeah, I'm tired: Negative
No, I haven't seem Lym yet. Positive
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Lyon/Lym Point:
-To Kyle, after meeting him-
Sure, I'd like that: Negative
Hmm, I'd better go see Lym first. . .: Positive
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Lym Point:
-To Ferid, after the scene in the Knight's Room-
I haven't seen her yet: Positive
Nope.  I'll look for her tomorrow. Negative
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Lym Point:
-During the scene with Lym-
I'm Home Lym: Positive
H-hey! Let go!: Negative
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Lym Point:
-Meet Miakis-
Um, hello, Miakis.: Positive
Uh, a little help?: Negative
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Lym Point:
-Lym's Husband-
Of course I'd hate it.: Positive
Not really. . .: Negative
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Lym Point:
-The Senate-
Huh? I have to go too?: Negative
Okay, lets go!: Positive
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Lym Point:
-Sleepy Sialeeds-
All right, thats enough, Auntie.: Positive
You started it Lym.: Negative (This one's somewhat hard to tell, Lym seems to 
realise she made a mistake, but you still lecture her, hmmm...)
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Lym Point:
-Meet the Barows-
I can't quite disagree with them. . .: Negative?
I can't quite trust him. . .: Positive
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Lym Point:
-Sacred Games List-
Only seventy?!: Negative?
Seventy? That many?!: Positive
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Lym Point:
-Lym's Training-
Why don't you take the day off?: Negative
All right, then. Study hard!: Positive
Note: This is another hard one to judge, because both answers are rather vague.
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Lyon Point:
-What do you want to do?-
Go to town, I guess.: +1 (while not much of a comment, Lyon has a happy face 
here, seeming to me you get a "Love Point")
I'm not sure. What do you want to do?: 0
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Lyon Point:
-Kyle's "Training"-
Of course!: -3?
Not really.: +3?
Note: This pretty much determines your "Lyon Points" for this point.  Even if 
you were really sweet to Lyon in every other comment, Lyon gets really angry 
during this scene, and during the later "Bonding" scene, she will give you the 
less comforting and friendly speech, and the more "bodyguard" speech.
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Lyon Point:
-Lyon Bonding Scene-
Note: There are actually two scenes here, depending on the choices you've made.
I guess I'll be fine then: +1
Don't worry. Nothing will happen.: 0
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Lyon Point:
-Gizel Rescue-
We're fine, thank you: -1
You could have killed us!: +1
Note: Rather vague...
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Lyon Point:
-Gladiators-
That's terrible.: +1
. . . . .: -1
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Lyon Point:
-Gladiators 2-
He needs a doctor.: +1
. . . . .: -1
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Lyon Point:
-Meet Shoon-
How Come?: 0
All Right. . .: +1
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Lyon Point:
-Armes Spy-
We should check it out: 0-+1
It must be your imagination: -1
Note: Lyon seems hesitant with the positive (first) answer here, so I'm not 
actually sure if you get a point or not.
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Lyon Point:
-First Duel-
It's still a fight.  I want to win!: -1
I'll try not to get hurt.: +1
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Lym/Lyon Point:
-After the Duel, Miakis teasing-
Huh.  I didn't know that.: Negative (this option makes it seem like A: you 
don't pay attention to your sister, and B: you WANT to marry her)
Uh, Lym. . .hello?: Positive
Note: This one looks like it is both a Lym AND a Lyon point.
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Lym Point:
-Lym's Fear-
Want to go to your room and rest?: Positive
You'll have to tough it out.: Negative
Note: This one's hard to judge.  Though if you pick the nastier response (the 
second answer) Arshtat will back you up and Lym -somewhat- forgives you.  I 
suggest picking the top, because the prince smiles at Lym, thus giving 
more "love" points.
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Lyon Point:
-Save Belcoot-
Let's rescue him right away! +1
Let's watch and see what happens . . .: -1
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Lyon Point:
-Meet Belcoot-
Us? We're just imposters.: 0
We're glad you're okay.: +1
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Lyon Point:
-Going home(from the Inn)-
I thought it tasted pretty good: +1
He's quite the guy: +1
Note: The top is the better choice here, because you'll actually get two 
options during this single scene.
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Lyon Point:
-Going home(from the Inn)2-
Hmm. I don't really know.: -1
He's quite the guy.: +1
Note: This is connected with the previous question, and is only possible to 
answer if you talked about the "food."
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Lyon Point:
-Visiting Belcoot-
Sounds good to me!: +1
I'm not sure we should...: -1
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Lym Point:
-Speaking to Lym before heading to find Belcoot-
Gizel: Negative
Belcoot: Positive
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Lyon Point:
-Marina Kidnapped-
Let's mobilize the patrol guards.: -1
Can we take care of this ourselves?: +1
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Lyon Point:
-Marina Kidnapped 2-
Leave it to us!: +1
We'll do our best: 0
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Lyon Point:
-Good Morning!-
Wh-What happened to you?!: +1
Don't tell me. . .: 0
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Lyon Point:
-Breakfast time-
I did? Oh well. . .: +1
Why didn't you wake me up?: -1
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Lyon/Lym Point?:
-Final Match-
. . . .: Negative
Stop!!: Positive
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Lyon Point:
-Zegai's Truth-
I dont believe you . . .: -1
Why didn't you say so before?: +1
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Lyon Point:
-Zegai's Death?-
I would never let that happen!: +1
. . . . .: -1
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Lyon Point:
-The morning after-
You didn't, either?: +1 (empathy)
Actually, I slept like a log.: 0 to -1 (Ferid actually compliments you a few 
minutes after this scene if you choose this, so I'm actually not sure what 
this answer gives . . .)
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Lym Point:
-Before the Arshtat/Ferid discussion, to Miakis in Lym's room-
Of course I do!: Positive
Why do you ask that?: Negative
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Lym Point:
-Before the Arshtat/Ferid discussion, to Lym in her room-
I-I don't know what you mean. . .: Negative
Sorry, Lym, but we cant tell you. . .: Positive (respect)
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Lym Point:
-Arrival Home-
Good morning, Lym.: Positive
Hey, you can't just barge in like that!: Negative
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Lym Point:
-Raftfleet -optional, can only be done before Lunas-
I guess it'd be all right. . .: Positive
You know you can't!: Negative
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Lym Point:
-Meet Haswar-
L-Let me go!: Positive
W-Who are you?!: Negative (this is rather indirect, but Lym gets angry)
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Lyon Point:
-After the succession discussion-
You coming Lyon?: +1
We're leaving without you...: 0
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Lym Point:
-Cerempony Peeking 1-
Of course I wont.: Positive
Why would I want to peek at you?: Negative
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Lym/Lyon Point:
-Ceremony Peeking 2-
VERY Sure:  Negative, +2 Lyon Points?
. . . . .:  Positive, -3 Lyon Points? (Lyon doesn't like you acting like Kyle)
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Lyon Point:
-Ceremony Peeking 3-
Aren't you going to be there, Lyon?: -1
I-I was just kidding!: +1
Note: This is only selectable if you choose ". . . . ." above.
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Lyon Point:
-Strange sounds 1-
We'll go with you.: +1
All right.: -1
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Lyon Point:
-Strange Sounds 2-
On second thought, lets go with him.: +2
I'm sure He'll be fine.: -1
Note: This is only accessable if you said no the first time.  You do get to 
see a better scene for this though (IMO)
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Lym Point:
-Trouble Sleeping-
I don't think thats a good idea.: Negative
No, I don't mind.: Positive
Note: This scene will only be scene if you have gathered a LOT of Lym points 
so far.  Even if you have a moderate amount you will not see this scene.
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Lym/Lyon Point:
-Assasin Attack!-
I'm worried about mother and Lym. . .: Positive
Let's get out of here!: Negative
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Note: During the escape scenes, I do not believe it affects your "Lym" 
or "Lyon" points if you choose to to run or stay behind.  Because you are not 
directly altering Lym's opinion of you at that time, it does not seem to 
matter. And the -only- time there may be a direct effect on the Lyon points is 
when you go to the extreme and keep staying behind for Lym, but even then I 
don't think that it is anything negative.  Quite the opposite, actually, I 
think it might actually be positive, as she will respect your devotion to your 
sister.

Note: There seems to be no more Lym Points from here on out.
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Lyon Point:
-Lunas Sleep-
You Should rest, too, Lyon.: +1
I want to be alone right now.: 0 to -1
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Lyon Point:
-The morning after 2-
Yeah, I guess so.: 0
What about you, Lyon? : +1
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Lyon Point:
-Lyon's Confession-
Of course!: +2-3
I'll have to think about it. . .: -2 to -3


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And in a final word in tribute to Kyle^^

"So Prince. . .How was it? . . .Oh come on! You know what I'm talkin' about! 
The purification rite! You must have taken a peek, huh? Am I right? I'm right, 
right?! Hey who looked the hottest? Well no need to ask really -- it had to be 
Sialeeds! . . . You're kidding me.  You DIDN'T look?! WHY THE HELL NOT?! That 
was a once in a lifetime opportunity! I can't believe you passed that up! 
Damn! I gotta say, you just let down every man in Falena. . ."
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Changes~
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April 19, 2006: Many minor changes.  I completely redid my Lym Point formule 
because of many people saying I should.  Also, I added a few items that I 
forgot.  If you Emailed me about it, I'm sorry if you are not credited, this 
is because I already had the information in the guide changed before you told 
me.
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April 25th, 2006: a lot of minor changes, especially to the character areas.  
They are just tips in helping you get the characters, but they help a lot.  
Minor typo errors, a few items fixed, and whatnot.  Also started the basics 
section. 
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May 6th, 2006: Many minor things fixed, typos, etc.
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May 29th 2006: Added Tactics List, Formation List, minor errors fixed.

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Thank you:
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Thank you to everyone who has Emailed me about the minor problems.  I have 
gotten quite a few about Isabel and Alhazred.
Thank you VS and Blaze for looking over my list sections before I add them to 
the guide.
fatherg[at]gmail[dot]com: For telling me I made a typo in Murad's character 
area.
Thanks to Zeik for pointing out my mistake about Potch in New Game+.

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What's left to do?
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A lot!  I know I'm missing a lot, but I wanted to get this posted to stop some 
questions I've been seeing on the message boards.
Co-Ops
Runes
etc. . .
They will be done!

Copyright 2006 Stephanie Nutter [Cyril]